im not offended!
im not offended!
im not offended
praise be to Tim Horton, for he has shown me the way.
i'm somewhat offended but thats your opinion not mine and i'm not going to argue you with it. religion has always been a touchy subject on these forums (probably most) dont be surprised if people are offended
thats why i posted this, i dont want people pissed at me for using this avater, if majority votes no, ill take it off
i mean if majority votes that yes, they are offended :D
Disgustingly Single
Im not easily offended. But yes, your avatar does offend me.
What are you supposed to be? the anti-christ?
I am a Christian. I love Jesus. The guy rocks.
I know your avatar is supposed to be a joke, so no, it doesn't offend me.
I have friends in the church who joke about writing children books like "It Rains Because You Made God Cry" and "The Day God Stopped Loving You".
I know that God (and Jesus...) loves everyone equally, and only hates their sin. Therefore, your avatar is funny because it's not true, but put forth in a way to suggest it is.
I am not offended. I actually laughed the first time I saw it.
Your name on the other hand...
ok, before this escalates any higher, like i KNOW IT WILL.
lets not get my friends name mixed into an arguement ok?
we've had this arguement already before and he got thrown into the mix, please, lets stay on topic, its about the avatar, not the name.
and dont go off making a seperate thread either. please, arguements/wars about ones forum name is kinda stupid. unless its like:
"I Kill (racial name)'s"
sorry, but i had to say that. continue with your regularly schedualed poll voting.
praise be to Tim Horton, for he has shown me the way.
If you have to make a thread asking if its appropriate you damn well know its not. Take it off and save a stupid argument here. Now we're gonna have a stupid religion brawl. The worst of all arguments.
I'm not rude, you're just insignificant.
I agree with this person, and I rarely do.Originally Posted by Crisis
Plus, even though you say you will take it off if the majority says so, its not really up to you in the end... even though you might think it is. Doesnt matter if I'm offended or not... I want to say yes just to push your buttons though, so ya-
Only the dead have seen the end of war
It was a harmless comment I placed at the end 'cause I thought it would be goofy. Don't get all defensive. Jeez...
wouldn't be being the Anti-Christ a religious view too? what about Satanism? no one ever respects these people's beliefs though they may be valid.
....No I am not a Satanist if anyone is wondering.
religion is just something to fall on when you have nothing else left
that, my friend, would anger many people.
"...I couldn't hear anything! Kitten Mittons, you'll be smitten!"
word.I am a Christian. I love Jesus. The guy rocks.
and no its not really offensive, it's somewhat humorous.
and religion is just something to fall on when you have nothing else left... if that's the way you see it as.
but we all have our own beliefs and views and im not gonna force mine down anyones throat.
and, as other people have said, if you have to make a poll on it then you know it will be offensive.
my 2 cents
you mean your.....fiddycentzmy 2 cents
HARHARHAR
"...I couldn't hear anything! Kitten Mittons, you'll be smitten!"
God is a crutch, and in this life we're all crippled hero :wink:
yeah i have to admit, I'm a Taoist. Tho i don't do much religious things if any at all.
because in the end its really up to aeon
this all reminds me of the Family Guy when they go to meet Pawtucket Pat, and Joe can't go because he's in a wheelchair so the oompa loompas start singing...any true Family Guy fans will understand.
"...I couldn't hear anything! Kitten Mittons, you'll be smitten!"
if you dont get offended by the Familiy guy, you are NOT offended easily, if able to be offended at all
Well I'm christian, and it would offend me if you were serious about it... but we don't know if you are or aren't.
But, as someone else said, you know that its controversial if you have to make a thread about it.
One time a Curse of Recklessness crit and the mob turned into an female asian driver.
But if someone knows Jesus, then it is impossible to take such a statement seriously. Even if it's said seriously, it's a ludicrous statement and prone to be laughed at.
Your mom doesn't love you.
Just a sec as I try for a tear.
"The Best Leaders Inspire By Example. When That's Not An Option, Brute Intimidation Works Pretty Well, Too."
"Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do."
I think what it boils down to is your faith. Do you believe what the bible says about Jesus and how he is our savior? How much of an impact does God have on your every day life?
Does this picture offend me? No. Do I like what the picture portrays? No. I also dont judge people on their internet personality. Many people use this as an outlet, they cut loose and say/do stuff they would never say or do in living their life every day. I am not saying that this is the case here, but it is a fact.
I believe that you will know sooner or later if you have strayed from God's plan. Unfortunatly, sometimes it is more later than sooner. But He has His own way of showing us, He knows how to teach us in ways that sometimes we could never imagine.
I dont believe in that shit either. Besides its your point of view right? I could say that people saying "I love Jesus" offends me.
If people are going to cry about a avatar, they need to seek help. nuff said.
this is kinda intresting this thread, we get everyones opinion on religion in the clan.
is everyone allowed a religion? yes.
is it all based on velieving in god? no.
is everyone allowed their own set of beliefs? yes.
should other people be offended by this? well you certainly have a right to be, but in the end, you cannot change them.
I, for example, am athiest (i dont believe in god), therefor i worship no one, i dont beilieve in god, fate, or any sort of devine plan. I make the future, MY decions affect my life, IM under control. those are my "religious" views.
obviously anyone in the countrys we live in are fully entitled to be offended, but guess what? your thoughts are not going to change what i believe in.
sure, what you believe in your mind is right, but that might be just you, or a certain group of people, to others, like myself I may think YOUR wrong, or vice vesa, but that is only based on point of view. but does what you believe in make it universally wrong if you have a radical view?
only if what you believe in is religious genocide, aside fom that, everyones religious views (if any) are fully credible.
yes, the subject of religion is indeed a touchy one, but remember my friends, sometimes you gotta get loose when there is a diffrence in opinions....swallow your pride once in a while if you read something you dont like.
praise be to Tim Horton, for he has shown me the way.
No more
Worst argument ever!!!!!!! It's starting and you know it so quit now.
I'm not rude, you're just insignificant.
Yup. No one has validly proven Geezus's avatar is offensive, so just let him use it.
just let things be. can't we all just get along?
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If this forum has Censorship on what is allowed to be said, I would hate being part of this community.
North Americans cherish their freedom. If you have an educated opinion about anything go ahead and say it.
If you aren't educated in a certain topic feel free and ask questions about it! Should any topics be taboo? Not if we are believers in freedom of speech.
Have Fun! Respect Others. Try your Hardest.
[HF]-n|3K | Arsenic
Futhermore, about the avatar itself. i'm guessing it's an attack at those stickers, and t-shirts & necklaces and who knows what other form the message "Jesus loves you" comes in now adays.
Personally, that message is just getting annoying, and i hate seeing it everywhere. I have a friend who has a sticker in his locker, a t-shirt, and a necklace of that slogan (jesus loves you).
However, i wouldn't have a avatar that says "I found out Jesus doesn't love you". People who spread the "Jesus loves you" slogan have a positive outlook on life. Wether they truly believe or just like the necklace, I wouldn't feel I have the right to tell otherwise. Any recorded documents i've seen of the period when Jesus lived, would suggest he loved everyone. Then again, the history was recorded by his followers and may be biased.
IF you decide to keep your avatar some may view you as a bad person in these forums. Even if consciously they might try not to hold your avatar against you, Subconstiously they will. Then their might be others who may love you for your display. Either way, it is not a neutral picture.
If you have a point to prove with your picture, please say it. If not, what's the point of having it? I would respect you more if you had a statement that would back that kind of contraversial picture up. then to just put the picture there and ask if people find it controversial.
Have Fun! Respect Others. Try your Hardest.
[HF]-n|3K | Arsenic
we had a really good religion thread like a year or two ago... went on for like 10 pages or so...
i was wondering when the next one would come...
all i have to say is that HF is a brotherhood, and in all FAMILYS you do all you can to not fight amongst yourself.
Crisis, you hit the nail on the head...
lets try to avoid conflicts ok?
Disgustingly Single
Hmm ,today made me realise that I am easily offended.
Dont piss me off.
Just a warning.
Well if we can't post about post counts what makes you think we can mock someones religious values?! So bring back post counts or get rid of the avatar....seem fair?
I'm not rude, you're just insignificant.
False Dilema:Is that really the only options? Post counts are irrelevant. You can still argue who posts more or more informatively anyway. Getting rid of that number saves us from reading posts that are essentially about nothing.So bring back post counts or get rid of the avatar?
That avatar is a mock in my opinion. And if he wants to mock and take the heat go ahead. but i just wish he would say what that picture means to him. does he find it funny? does he want to mock?
Have Fun! Respect Others. Try your Hardest.
[HF]-n|3K | Arsenic
Post counts may be irrelevant. However getting rid of them will not get rid of topics that are "essentially about nothing". If I looked at the last few pages of posts alone, I'm sure that I could find more than a couple posts "essentially about nothing" that had nothing to do with post counts other than the incidental gaining of one post in their post count by replying etc.
Personally I'm not offended by the avatar, but I voted against it anyway. Why? Because it would be offensive to other people because you are mocking their religion.
he knows it might offend some people, thats why hes asking if anyone has a problem with it.
and i think that religion topic was last year when I made a (jokingly) "pro-porn" comment and people started talking about the religious stuff.
"...I couldn't hear anything! Kitten Mittons, you'll be smitten!"
I think that my gov teacher said it best when he said:
"In the United States, Freedom of Religion has become misconstrued to be freedom from religion."
I hate how this world has become so damn PC. There are soo many different types of people/religions/ethnicities that it would be crazy to try to walk around on egg shells for ppl just so as not to offend them. One shouldnt think of another person's right to express their views as "offensive" to his own. To be offended by someones opinion (which is all it can ever be) shows that you, in a way, believe that YOUR opinion holds more validity than their's. Can THEY really know the answer to the biggest question in the universe w/o a shadow of a doubt? ... Can YOU really know the answer to the same question w/ all certainty? NO. Thats why they call it FAITH.
Raise your hand if you think that the avatar is trying to change your religious views or the views of others ... ok i thought not.
**And im w/ Arsenic on this one, NO censorship.
**Why does he need to explain why he put the avatar up?? Would someone who put a cross up as an avatar need to post an explanation? No, because it is part of society's norms. I've seen plenty of christian stickers that mock atheists ... or they say things like "im sorry then, cuz your going to hell, and I to heaven."
I do not respect nor disrespect him for puttin up the avatar ... sure it got a little chuckle out of me but thats it ... things like that should not be taken seriously, AT ALL.
Well said Rainman.
praise be to Tim Horton, for he has shown me the way.
Disgustingly Single
They have a religion based on barring Jesus?... holy shit.
Rain seriously what you said is correct in many ways, but the way his avatar is presented is a mock- not an example of what his faith is. Remove the background writting and then its closer to a religion.
All in all its a parody. The real meaning is what he believes the avatar is to him/her.
no
it fits my name
i made this post because i didnt want like 20 people private messaging me saying, "burn in hell u mother fucking athesit". because christians can get offended and say shit like that. i mean... i wouldn't say, "chill in heaven u mother fucking christian" if u put up a cross on ur avatar.
I figured i'd let everyone talk about it, kinda put in their own opinion i guess, before everyone started to just hate me.
hrmm... the only problem i have is your statements, like
ahh i can say "freeze your ass off you dutch slut" but some dutch people might get offended by that and it would be tastless... (but no one get offended k? good.)because christians can get offended and say shit like that
anyways, they point is EVERYONE gets offended at one point or another. Christians are very easy targets, especially for major stereotypes (not saying they are the only targets either people.) The fact is many (and i do think many) people in this guild are in fact christians. Many of us do not fit the stereotype that other people believe, but even if we did we deserve respect like everyone else. This is also not a one-sided issue either and all christians should show respect for everyone also.
As for the avatar, it will be hard to find someone here to say "take it off or im going to leave the clan" but it doesnt mean that some people might not like it. Fine, then those people wont like it, but they should still be giving the respect of having thier own opinion.
But there will be a time in which one person shall push the envelop too extreme and action will have to be taken, but i see this as a voliatation with the forum rules therefore legal grounds to take action therein.
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we all know religion is a very touchy subject so i dont think anyone has any avatars with religious significance...
does anyone here even have an avatar of a cross or Jesus?
I haven't seen one yet myself...
While I don't know who is christian or not...even if they are, they aren't declaring it with Jesus or cross avatars...
To other people, your avatar and your name will be a mock to their religion and good things won't come from that. while most of the christians here are cool with it...I suggest changing your avatar for the sake of no (future) flame wars on religion.
the point is, no atheist here or at least i dont think there are, are putting avatars of anti-Christ and the same with christians and their cross/Jesus avatars in this clan.
whatever ur intention is with that avatar, no one's bashing you for being an atheist. I see no real purpose in putting that except to create controversy and to piss people off.
i saw a guy with a halo in his avatar
america = christian.
u couldnt be more wrong :D
Oh no Eric is posting. I can hear it already.
Anyways. I got 1 question. What's your beef with Jesus? I mean you named yourself after him and then make this avatar? You have to know you would offend people. Is that what it is? You like to offend? I'll admit that your name offends me. I'll also admit that I think the idea of knowing something might offend someone, but still doing it is stupid. I go even frther and say that since 20 people voted that your avatar is okay, that is all you'll see. You won't even notice the 10 who voted against it. You'd gladly keep something up that offends 1/3 of the responders then to just change it? That shows a lot about your character.
Now I go out of my way to not offend people(except aeon), so my views are different than yours on this topic, so I won't expect you to understand my thoughts, just like I don't understand why you would purposely offend people.
I do have to admit that "chill in heaven u mother fucking christian" made me laugh a lot. That was a great line.
Now for those of you who want to think.
Reality is greater than nothingness. Living is better than not living.
Think of a being that is greater than anything else that you can think of.
Since living and being real is better than not living, then a god must exist.
I know the actual equation that I got that from could feel a few pages, but that's the general drift of it.
Also. Nothing can be created from nothing. There has to have been something to create something. Now that logic is ever cycling backwards into oblivion, unless you admit that the first cause(or commonly called unmoved mover) was always there and that would make him some type of god.
How can you live life knowing that this is it? Nothing more? If you're right then I won't care that I was wrong when I die, but if I'm right, if I am right, man, makes me so happy thinking about it, if I am right...
Another point I'd like to make that most of my christian friends weren't raised christian. Heck, some of them done things that would make the toughest of you squirm. I don't think its a crutch that you lean on. Its a freaking automated wheelchair. What's wrong with thinking of christianity that way? It does give comfort to the needy, but its more. I know christians who had everything in life going for them before the became a christian, but once they started to believe, you wouldn't believe the things they'd say. It changed everything in you, but leaves you the same. I have friends who claim to have seen angels. Hell, I have friends who claimed to have seen demons and my one friend has been an insomniac ever since. This stuff is real if you admit to it or not.
My last comment is about denominations. I believe its like this. The trusth is like a car accident in the middle of a busy intersection. People are all around it. Some people saw the accident this way some that way. Not everyone saw it the same, but they all saw the accident(the truth about jesus). That's how denominations are to me. They are all looking in at Jesus, but seeing a little different view of him.
Sorry for the long post, grats to those who read it. Sorry if I started a bigger religious debate, but if you care about that, then stop reading this thread. I hope I made sense and I hope that someone can make me understand why someone who knows what he does is offensive, keeps on doing it.
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